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04 July 1776: The Sibly Chart

The Sibley Chart is widely accepted among astrologers as the chart of the United States

To many astrologers the question ‘Which is the US horoscope?’ is a no-brainer. It’s the 4 July 1776, 5:10pm, Philadelphia, PA. Known as the Sibly horoscope. No question.

Whenever I hear ‘No question’, my antenna deploy. ‘Really?’ goes the internal dialog. Maybe, I am just overly skeptical and thus poorly suited to answer the question.

Nonetheless, for the close to two years I have had the pleasure of administering the facebook mundaneastrologers open group the question arises continuously. Not only does the question of which US horoscope arise, but whether or not one horoscope/nation model is appropriate [more on that later]. Personally, I prefer the ‘Solte’ chart (15 November 1777, Articles of Confederation or AOC), but others raise cause for ones such as the 1783 Treaty of Paris; confirmation of AOC; Constitution enacted; Constitution ratified; those who adhere to the Declaration horoscope must decide between 2 or 4 July; one camp (Boyd) advocates for US declaration of war against Britain in 1775; even those behind the 4th of July date must choose the time. So how do we resolve these differences? Is there one chart that best matches the United States? All of these questions arise and more. Some receive answers below.

15 November 1777: Articles of Confederation

The Articles of Confederation (AOC) was the first attempt to define and run the government of the united states of America.

 Possibility:  one chart not the answer

The Constitution of the Kingdom of Thailand is supposed to be the supreme law of Thailand. Yet since a forced change from an absolute monarchy to a constitutional democracy in 1932, Thailand has had seventeen charters and constitutions, reflecting a high degree of political instability and frequency of military coups in the nation.

Since the turn of the 20th Century Thailand has written, followed and rejected several constitutions. In between, it had held a number of referendums and seen a few coups. What horoscope works best for Thailand? Honestly, I have the faintest idea. The equation has a headache inducing number of variables; Portugal offers a similar challenge. These examples represent the extreme, but questions  about what is a nation become obvious, though no less difficult to answer:

  • What is a nation?
  • When is a nation born?
  • Are national horoscopes like natal charts?
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Why create US Charts @ at mundaneastrologers.com, a schematic for the discussion

The answers to these questions vary so much we cannot answer them here (I posed the ‘What is Nation?’ question and need to re-post on mundaneastrologers.com). The most important is that these questions prove critical in our quest; the answers serve as a key, and thus we must answer carefully. Until we do, however, can we truly surmise that one horoscope represents a nation? The answer seems a frustrating negative.

There are several possibilities:

  • One horoscope clearly defines a nation
  • Several horoscopes define a nation
  • No chart defines a nation
We should not be surprised these questions remain unanswered. The modern idea of nation, that born out of secular notions about how to govern a select group of people who decide to come together as a collective, only came about as the United States itself emerged as a prototype. When Napoleon entered the military service in 1789, he pledged service to the king, not the state of France. Even today the question of what constitutes a nation is not always clear. Should we be surprised that figuring out when a nation actually becomes one proves complex?
In the case of the United States several facts stand out. The Declaration of Independence is an integral of US history and culture; the Constitution, also an integral part, clearly defines the functions and limits of the government, including the relationship between the states and the federal government; states and states rights are integral parts of government structure and and in setting legal precedence. Here the Articles of Confederation become important. The most resilient  observation is that each event makes up an integral of the formation and ongoing history of the nation. But does any one event stand out as what the United States stands for or as the no question indicator of what makes the US the US? I am not certain we can point to any source that definitively and exhaustively resolves the query.

4 March 1789 US Constiution goes into effect

Some consider the US Constitution as the “birth” of a nation.

How to resolve

How do we resolve these questions? Is there one way that points to a horoscope with no doubt moniker?  My intuition says, no. Whether or not one horoscope serve as the horoscope stands out as particularly troubling. It also tells me that all possible candidates may tell us important parts of US history. In my mind the only way to once and for all resolve the discussion (with the warning that no resolution may also result) is to test a wide number events against each horoscope. With that in mind, we must also include the observation that choosing a horoscope should also include political and practical realities. Is independence a criteria for classifying a nation as one? We will come to that last.

A resolution in three steps

Easier said than done, right? See why US Horoscopes came about? We have work to do.

Selecting Criteria

Though gathering and reporting data will take some effort, the most difficult part is the last. How do we grade the efficacy of transits, progressions or ingresses? Who chooses what constitutes a ‘hit’, a successful correlation between planetary and earthly event? And why? We will need to some way to objectively compare all possible candidates by method. The theme increasingly repeats: it will take some time to produce some answers.

The answer to the overall question ‘Why Create US Horoscopes at mundaneastrologers.com?’ To thoroughly, without equivocation or doubt, advocate for a particular US horoscope, one must thoroughly examine and rate all possible data. In my opinion, this task still awaits completion. Though the discussion certainly arises from time to time, the argument eventually fades with each side unconvinced of the others. US horoscopes offers us the opportunity to address these questions. I leave with some of the most important ones.

One query is one we should resolve as soon as possible: astrology versus history. What rates higher, the historical criteria for choosing a national horoscope or an astrological one? If the former, what historical criteria? You can probably guessed that if the answer is the latter. what astrological criteria? Keeping in mind that are no incorrect answers or silly questions, I would love to hear your opinion.

Mundane Astrology, Campion etal

Relevant Links (all external links open in a new browser window):

Great American Documents

Declaration of Independence

Articles of Confederation

US Constitution

The US Constitution, An Enduring Document

Treaty of Paris



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